SKINCARE - What you should and shouldn’t do NOW

[Intro] Hey, everyone. Welcome to Facially Conscious. I'm Trina Renea, a medically-trained Master Esthetician here in Los Angeles, and I'm sitting with my rockstar co-host, Dr. Vicki Rapaport, a board-certified dermatologist with practices in Beverly Hills and Culver City, Rebecca Gadberry, our resident skincare scientist and regulatory and marketing expert, and Julie Falls, our educated consumer who is here to represent you. 

We are here to help you navigate the sometimes confusing and competitive world of skincare. Our mission is to provide you with insider knowledge on everything from product ingredients to medical procedures, lasers, fillers, and ever-changing trends.

With our expert interviews with chemists, doctors, laser reps and estheticians, you'll be equipped to make informative decisions before investing in potentially expensive treatments. 

It's the Wild West out there, so let's make it easier for you one episode at a time. 

Are you ready to discover the latest and greatest skincare secrets? Tune in and let us be your go-to girls for all things facially conscious. Let's dive in.

01:26 Julie Falls: Welcome to Facially Conscious. 

01:27 Trina Renea: Good morning. 

01:28 Julie Falls: I'm here with my lovely co-host, Dr. Vicki Rapaport and Trina Renea, our brilliant celebrity esthetician. I'm Julie Falls.

01:40 Trina Renea: Good morning. 

01:40 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Good morning. 

01:42 Julie Falls: We have something that I think everybody is constantly asking all of us about. What you should and shouldn't do with your skincare routine, AM, PM, right? 

01:54 Trina Renea: Yes. It's the constant question.

01:56 Julie Falls: The constant question. And constantly evolving, wouldn’t you say too?

02:03 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Right. That's why it's what you should and shouldn't do now. 

02:05 Julie Falls: Yes. 

02:05 Trina Renea: Yes, what you should and shouldn't do now, because this is what's going on right now. 

02:10 Julie Falls: And there's trending things constantly. I get questions about the trends, don't you? 

02:16 Trina Renea: Yes. Constantly. 

02:18 Julie Falls: And one big trend, all you have to do is go on TikTok and YouTube. There's so many YouTube videos about using castor oil. 

02:29 Trina Renea: Castor oil has been around for a million years and it comes in and out of the industry constantly. It comes in, it goes out, it comes in, it goes out, because it has a lot of good benefits. Some are a little bit exaggerated, but it's been around as long as petroleum has been around. It's been around for ages, right? 

02:53 Julie Falls: Some of the things now people are saying is, it's good for constipation, digestion. 

02:59 Trina Renea: It's always been. It dates back to ancient Egypt. It's being used for stomachs and problems in your gut for— I don't understand Cleopatra reporting it to be used to help her whiten the whites of her eyes. What? 

03:18 Julie Falls: Yeah, people do put it inside their eyes.

03:19 Trina Renea: In your eyeglass?

03:20 Julie Falls: A lot of doctors are cautioning against that. 

03:23 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I thought it was pretty funny, Julie, when you mentioned that we should talk about castor oil, because I thought, well, castor oil? It's a million years old, and I have so many little tidbits about my patients using it. But I will say that I know where you brought it up from, because my daughter, who’s also on social media, said that it was going to make her lashes longer. I laughed in her face.

03:44 Julie Falls: Yes. 

03:45 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: And one of my favorite patients, who is about 90 years old, he had a product in the ‘70s that he admitted to me was just pure castor oil. It was supposed to lengthen your lashes, but, really, it just made them look thicker, look darker. 

03:59 Julie Falls: Interesting. 

04:01 Trina Renea: Because of the thick oil of it.

04:02 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yes. 

04:03 Julie Falls: Well, I do go to a brow, an eyebrow person who, she likes it for the eyebrows. She said, “I caution you about using it on your lashes because it will get in your eyes.” I know people put it in their eyes. She said, “I would not.” But for the brows, she likes it for brow growth. I don't know. 

04:22 Trina Renea: Well, castor oil basically comes from a castor plant. The oil comes from the seeds and it's a very thick oil. They've used it for fueling lamps, they use it for medicine, they use it for beauty. Since the beginning of time, it's been here, it's been around. I think it's good for some things. 

The way I was introduced to castor oil is when I went to a place where you detox and you don't eat food and you do colonics. To help things flow through, they would have us drink castor oil. I would have to drink it and it would just help everything flow through. 

So I think if people have a problem…

05:03 Julie Falls: Did it work?

05:06 Trina Renea: For sure. So if I think you have problems with constipation, it may help. As for skincare, I never thought of— first of all, any chemist that I work with in the last 20 years never puts castor oil in their products. 

05:24 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: You'd be surprised. I just purchased one of the new Bobbi Brown products. 

05:28 Trina Renea: And it had castor oil?

05:29 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Absolutely. 

05:29 Trina Renea: So it's a hot new oil on the market right now. 

05:31 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I think it's in a lot of products that we don't even realize. But when you see it and feel it, it is the stickiest, gooiest ingredient.

05:40 Trina Renea: Yeah, I don't know anyone who works with it.

05:42 Julie Falls: It's really not sticky as much as it's just very thick. No, it's not sticky because I have been using it on my brows. Also…

05:50 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Are you using pure castor oil?

05:52 Julie Falls: Organic, in the dark glass bottle? They say make sure that you get the glass.

05:57 Trina Renea: Why in your eyebrows?

05:59 Julie Falls: It's for growth. It's for hair growth. People are— go online. You can't believe how…

06:04 Trina Renea: Has your hair grown? 

06:06 Julie Falls: I've just started using it on my brows, but I'm telling you…

06:09 Trina Renea: Okay. We're going to need an update.

06:10 Julie Falls: Yes, but a brow specialist said to try it. Go online. 

06:17 Trina Renea: I don't trust online.

06:18 Julie Falls: No, I know, but there's…

06:20 Trina Renea: I trust reputable sources.

06:22 Julie Falls: Vicki, have you seen any hair growth from it? 

06:24 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: No. 

06:25 Trina Renea: We're going to ask Rebecca what she thinks about this.

06:26 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It is touted as a hair growth product and there have been no studies that have shown that it is growing hair, although people are talking about it for growing hair now. Why are they talking about it that it grows hair? I literally have no idea. Are they looking for content, because they need to post every day? It's just literally plucked out of the sky as a potential effect. 

06:49 Julie Falls: Then the other thing is I do know women who are using it as a moisturizer at night, for a hydrator. 

06:56 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Honestly, that's the only, in my opinion, the only benefit. So I will tell patients— this is hilarious, because I only remembered that I used to tell patients this when you brought up castor oil, because I haven't done it for 10 years. But I would tell them to drop a couple of drops, just a couple of drops in their palm with their body cream. Mix it in with their body cream and then put their body cream on because the castor oil will really keep it, will seal it and really occlude the moisturizer. It increases the efficacy of your own moisturizer.

And on the face, probably the same thing, but probably like one drop for the face and maybe like six drops for the body. 

07:30 Julie Falls: Then the other claim, which I'm seeing a lot of, is for arthritis. I don't know how, but people are swearing on that.

07:37 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: To put it on over the joint or to take it orally?

07:40 Julie Falls: To put it on, rub it into the areas where you have discomfort and pain. 

07:46 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: With menthol or just by itself? 

07:49 Julie Falls: Just by itself. 

07:49 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I don't know why that would work, but it's harmless. 

07:51 Trina Renea: I know. 

07:52 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It's harmless.

07:53 Trina Renea: It's interesting. It's really just an oil that helps…

07:59 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Lubricate.

08:00 Trina Renea: Lubricate, yeah. It's not comedogenic, right? 

08:05 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It's mildly comedogenic.

08:06 Trina Renea: Mildly. 

08:07 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yeah, which is interesting that it's not highly comedogenic. It's on the list it's just mild. 

08:14 Trina Renea: It's very thick. It's great for relieving constipation. 

08:19 Julie Falls: As you said.

08:22 Trina Renea: Yeah, but it can, it says, cause nausea, abdominal cramping and vomiting and bloating and dizziness if you take too much. But for skincare, it's such a thick oil. I think it could be used, like if you slug with Aquaphor if you're really dry and it's winter and you want to put a couple drops, like she said, of castor oil into your moisturizer to give a little more moisturizing. 

But I honestly don't know. I know what you're saying about the hair growth and the help with arthritis. I think people reach for these things, because when you look that up, there's no scientific proof or studies on it. It's been around for so many centuries that…

09:06 Julie Falls: So why wouldn't there be? 

09:07 Trina Renea: Why wouldn’t there be. If there was any proof in it, there would have been studies done throughout the ages.

09:15 Julie Falls: Sure. That makes sense.

09:15 Trina Renea: I think it's a good just natural healer and it is good for…

09:19 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: And it's very inexpensive. You don't know how much your organic in a glass bottle was, but I know you can buy a huge bottle that will last you your lifetime for about $8. 

09:28 Trina Renea: Yeah. And castor beans contain a poison called ricin, but it's removed when they're doing the castor oil processing. But it is a poison originally, which is interesting. But then they take that out. 

09:45 Julie Falls: Well, I'll keep you posted on my brows.

09:46 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Please.

09:49 Julie Falls: But all these other influencers who are using it for their lashes, and I tried it, and the next morning I had so much stuff inside my eyes. 

09:57 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Also, didn't you get an allergic reaction when you put it under your eyes? 

10:00 Julie Falls: Yeah. 

10:01 Trina Renea: Oh yeah. 

10:03 Julie Falls: I think so. 

10:03 Trina Renea: - You got a little swelling. 

10:04 Julie Falls: Yes. I think it was from that. Who knows. 

10:06 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: So be careful, everybody. 

10:08 Julie Falls: Yeah, proceed with caution.

10:08 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Eyelid skin is always, always very sensitive and always prone to reaction, so I would always be very careful when you start to put product under your eye.

10:16 Trina Renea: Yes. And I have heard eye doctors are not happy with people using castor oil around their eyes. They said it can affect the eye. 

10:24 Julie Falls: Yeah, I believe that. 

10:26 Trina Renea: Yeah. And so putting it on your lashes, it's going to get into your eye. It's also going to go into where the lash attaches there. And it gets in your eye. Maybe that's why you had the swelling under your eye. 

10:38 Julie Falls: Yeah, maybe. 

10:40 Trina Renea: All right. Let's move on. 

10:40 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Thumbs up or thumbs down to castor oil? Does it come in the middle?

10:44 Trina Renea: I like castor oil for digestive purposes. 

10:47 Julie Falls: And maybe hydration.

10:49 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I like it for dry skin on the legs. 

10:51 Trina Renea: Dry skin on the legs.

10:52 Julie Falls: I like that. 

10:54 Trina Renea: Yeah, soak in castor oil. 

10:55 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Fabulous.

10:56 Trina Renea: No, I'm just kidding. Okay. Let's move on to expiration dates. I want to remind everybody to please trust that when things expire, they truly expire. 

11:09 Julie Falls: We did a whole episode on that one. 

11:11 Trina Renea: We did a whole episode on it, but I want to remind people. For us right now, when we're recording this episode, it's the beginning of the year. You might not hear it at the beginning of the year, but because it's the beginning of the year, we want you to look at all your products and make sure that— it's just a good time once a year. It's a new year. A good time to just look at all your products and throw some stuff away that is expired.

I had a client come in the other day and she pointed to something on my shelf. And she said, “Oh, I still have some of that.” 

I haven't seen this client in four years. She has been out of the country and she is back and she's all excited. She goes, “Oh, I still have some of that.”

I said, “That's four years old.”

She's like, “Yeah, but does it really go bad?”

I'm like, “Yes, 400% sure. It needs to go into the trash.”

And now I want you to go look at all your products and throw away all your things that have an expiration date. And sometimes there's not an expiration date on, but you have to think. Like, how long ago did I buy that? Because some things don't have expiration dates on them. 

12:27 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: But when they do have expiration dates, it's really cute. Usually like a little jar and it will say 6M for 6 months or 12M for 12 months or 18M. But the problem is it's usually on the box. When you throw away the box and you have your product, you forget. 

I think Rebecca recommended, with a Sharpie, look at the box, look at the expiration date on the bottom of your product, with a Sharpie write 12 months. Or when you open the product, about a year, maybe two max, is really the longevity of your product. 

We have preservatives in our products and they do keep our products from going bad. You will know if your product goes bad. It will smell. It's very unusual for products to smell, unless they're organic with very few preservatives. But, obviously, if you smell a weird smell, please get rid of it. 

13:12 Trina Renea: And chemists will tell you that products last in the bottle currently, with the preservatives that we're currently using, about two years. Although Rebecca says that's when a product is closed. When you open it and air gets in it, then it has a shorter shelf life. 

Basically, when you buy something, just remember, use up the bottle and then start something else. Don't open a whole bunch of different bottles all at once and just use a little of this and a little of that, a little of this, a little of that, because that's where you start getting expired products. 

But, also, preservatives don't last forever. They do expire. And then the ingredients can actually be harmful for your skin and cause inflammation. 

13:57 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Correct. 

13:59 Trina Renea: And smelling, you’re a sniffer, is a good way. Sometimes the oils will go rancid and you can smell them in the product. It has a funny smell, that means it's bad. 

But just remember your expiration dates. They do mean something. It is better for your skin to not use expired products so you don't get inflammation. Inflammation is the biggest ager. It ages us. So don't do it on purpose. 

14:24 Julie Falls: Good tip. 

14:27 Trina Renea: All right. So, Dr. Vicki, you have a mask that I wanted to talk about, because it's new technology and it's fascinating. It's called the CO2Lift carboxy mask.

14:40 S?: Right. Carboxy mask is how you do the CO2Lift, but yes. Basically, CO2 or carbon dioxide increases the affinity of hemoglobin for oxygen. It oxygenates tissue. If you sit in a hyperbaric chamber, it's oxygenating your whole body, the skin, you're breathing a little bit in, but then when you're out of the chamber, obviously, the effects are over. 

The mask, it's on for about 40 minutes. It really does oxygenate the tissues, not forever. But the skin feels dewy, it looks dewy, it's really nice for like a red carpet event. 

They had this at one of our biggest meetings. They had a booth. I was actually really interested in it and then I thought, “Okay, I'm going to go back after the meeting,” because I do do lectures all day long. Then at the end of the day, you go back to the booth. I couldn't go back to the booth.

Then I said, okay, I'll go back the next day. They weren't there the next day. I guess they decided to leave early, whatever, and I forgot all about it.

Then my esthetician brought it up to me about a couple months ago. She's like, “I want to bring this on.”

I said, “You know what? I actually enjoyed hearing about it,” because somebody on the podium had spoken about this technology, oxygenating the skin. I was interested. Let's get it on. Let's bring it on, I mean, not get it on. I don't want to get it on. Let's bring it on. 

And we have brought it on and patients do love it. 

Now, patients who come in regularly for facials, we're always looking for something different for them, right? Whether it's the Glo2Facial or a HydraFacial or a DiamondGlow, your skin does get sick of things. So it's just another thing that we can offer them for people who kind of do everything. 

There are also at-home versions. They have an at-home version that you can do yourself. It's not very expensive Gosh, maybe 60 bucks or something. Yes, of course that might seem like a lot but it really does keep your skin glowing for a good week. You can do the mask weekly, if you want. 

16:38 Trina Renea: Okay. So it's like a fun it oxygenates your face.

16:42 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: You got it.

16:43 Trina Renea: And you can go to an event and look good. It sounds so fancy. 

16:48 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It is fancy, and also after lasers, after microneedling, after things that we do that wound the skin, just sort of like Pavise sunscreen. I was talking about how you can apply Pavise sunscreen after the skin is inflamed after the procedures that we do. We actually can calm it down with this carboxy mask.

17:05 Trina Renea: Oh, that’s cool.

17:06 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Kind of also like the exosomes. 

17:08 Trina Renea: Exosomes. All these nice things coming out.

17:09 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: There's all these things for post care.

17:14 Julie Falls: So what your facialist is doing with this, is that any different than the at-home version or is there a machine using it and that's part of the facial? 

17:22 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Really good question. It is zero difference from the at-home one, but she will do things prior. When you do it at home, you just put it on your face. Like, she'll do a facial before, which is steaming. She'll do microchanneling if people want to open the skin a little more. So she is doing some things that can actually make the skin a little bit more able to let the mask in.

But because you're sitting with the mask on for about 40 minutes, you're getting an equal efficacious procedure at home. It's just you don't get all the feel-good stuff that she does prior to.

17:53 Trina Renea: Plus, like after a facial, once we rough up the skin, it's like a nice way to calm it down. 

17:57 Julie Falls: Calming. Now, I wonder how it compares to the oxygen treatment that you do, which I love. 

18:03 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: That's a really good question. I don't know, but I think it's the time that that sits on your skin is. Like, the longer, the better. 

18:11 Julie Falls: Well, you leave with the oxygen treatment, you leave with that on. 

18:15 Trina Renea: Yeah. 

18:15 Trina Renea: That's, oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a different— it's another way of doing oxygen at home. Like, people who can't buy an oxygen machine at home can use these masks. It's a good way after a procedure in the doctor's office to have the mask on if the patient has the time to sit there with it on. It's going to help.

18:37 Julie Falls: I want to compare it to what you do there. 

18:39 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I will say one other thing about this carboxy mask, they also do an intimate area mask for females, and they sell it. It's called the V lift carboxy mask, whatever. It's an at-home treatment. It's not something that somebody does for you. 

18:57 Trina Renea: Excuse me? 

18:58 Julie Falls: What's the benefit of that? 

19:01 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: The benefits sound a lot like the benefits of the MonaLisa laser. 

19:05 Julie Falls: MonaLisa. So to lift and regenerating. 

19:08 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: No, the MonaLisa brings more blood vessel, which brings moisture, which is exactly what the oxygen of this mask is supposed to do vaginally. 

19:17 Julie Falls: Oh, that’s brilliant.

19:19 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: So, I don't know. I haven't tried. I don't know much about it, but online that they talk about that, I think it's kind of interesting. I think that there is a need for female healthcare down there. But the bullet points of what it's supposed to do are pretty impressive. So I don't know. We can discuss that…

19:35 Trina Renea: It is using the carbon dioxide and the hyperbaric chamber effect in a mask of some sort. It's interesting technology. I'm going to have to look more into that. 

19:50 Julie Falls: I'm just looking online at a single CO2Lift Carboxy Gel Treatment online that you could buy at $93. 

19:58 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Okay. So it's a little more expensive than I thought, but it's kind of…

20:04 Julie Falls: Maybe they're different ones too. 

20:05 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yeah. 

20:06 Julie Falls: Okay. 

20:08 Trina Renea: Okay. The last thing I want to talk about on the should and shouldn't do now is the psychology of marketing right now in YouTube, TikTok and Instagram. 

20:23 Julie Falls: I have a feeling that's a shouldn't do now topic.

20:28 Trina Renea: Right. It's really bothering me a lot. The amount of marketing, it's worse than TV used to be with commercials, because you would get commercials in between your TV show, you know, two or three commercials. But, now, it's just 100% commercials all day long, fed to you in very psychological ways that is done so naturally in these little videos that children and adults listen to, that's feeding you marketing all day long, constant, constantly. Like, I can't. 

21:13 Julie Falls: It must be so brutal to have a child now with all of this.

21:13 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Well, I can chime in there, Trina. I've seen that trend and that trend is sad, 10-year-olds wanting seven-step skincare items and moms have come in. I would say you're right. It's kind of the tipping point where moms have come in the past month asking me, “My child is interested in buying this and that from Sephora,” and spending hundreds of dollars, and what should she not use? What are ingredients that she should not use? 

So I will give them a list of certain things that can be very irritating that a 10-year-old doesn't need. Now, we have 10-year-olds with acne, so there are certain things that I would put those 10-year-olds on, but salicylic acids, super active retinols. 10-year-olds do not need that. 

But if it does start a 10-year-old on using sunscreen regularly, then that is a trend I can get behind, but it's not. It's about selling them 17 products that they do not need. 

22:11 Trina Renea: Correct, because kids— I mean, humans as a race have been around for a long time and there's never been children using skincare. It's definitely a trend right now, a marketing trend, because it's very easy for people, marketing people to sell to children because they know their parents will buy it for them. So skincare is trending big time with these little kids and the parents are like, "Oh, it's so cute. They want to use skincare. This is sweet." 

It's not toys. It's something that they think will benefit them in the future, but your cell turnover and your skin is working perfectly well at 10, unless you have eczema or psoriasis or acne or some kind of problem, which then you're going to go to a dermatologist to get fixed. You don't need skincare. You don't need hyaluronic acid as a 10-year-old. You don't need any antioxidants. You don't need moisturizers. Your skin is doing all this for you. 

Naturally, what you do need is sunscreen, and that's really it, period. That's all they need. 

23:25 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: You're absolutely right. I feel, normally, skincare lines they blossom and they grow because they fill a need, fill a need for a teen starting to break out. Fill a need for a teen starting to stink, starting to get oily, starting to get this, starting to get— 10-year-olds aren't starting to do anything, except for learn.

23:45 Trina Renea: And the product lines that they like to buy are in these cute little toy-like jars and bottles that are pretty colors and big, fat, round things. 

23:54 Julie Falls: We had Bonnie Bell lip gloss. 

23:57 Trina Renea: I mean, they're marketing for these children because they have these cute little bottles and everything smells really good. 

I have a daughter. She's 13. She's been doing this since she was 10 as well. She's still doing it and she's not going to stop. It's crazy. The Sephora and the packaging that they're selling to these children and how everything smells. It has to feel and look and smell. It's all sensation. It's all those tactile— is that the right word? 

24:28 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Tactile.

24:28 Trina Renea: Tactile things.

24:31 Julie Falls: trendy, trendy.

24:31 Trina Renea: Things that they can sell to these children. 

24:35 Julie Falls: So, as a doctor, Dr. Vicki, what do you recommend to a parent? How would you guide a parent who has a child who wants to buy all this stuff and buy into it? 

24:52 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It's a pretty straight answer and that is they literally don't need anything if they're not having any issues, if they're not having acne. 

24:58 Julie Falls: Sunscreen.

25:00 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yes, and I say that when we had babies after six months old, we started putting sunscreen on them, hats, long sleeves, etc. So, yeah, let them get a sunscreen. Get into that. Good. Have them try seven different sunscreens. Have a different sunscreen for their face than they do for their body. But other than that, they really don't need it. They really don't even need a face cleanser. They wash their bodies in the shower. I guess they could use their soap for their face, but, again, if they have acne, I'll recommend an over-the-counter, mild foaming facial cleanser.

But they do not need these products. They absolutely do not need them. And, Trina, you were talking about how they have to smell a certain way. Those fragrances are disgusting. They're cheap. 

25:39 Julie Falls: And maybe bad for kids’ skin. 

25:41 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Exactly. There's just no reason. There's no reason.

25:42 Trina Renea: They're putting the vanillas and the strawberries and the watermelons and the fruity smells in there that the kids like in these products. When my daughter is putting on her seven steps, she's…

25:58 Julie Falls: What is it? What is it she's actually using?

26:00 Trina Renea: I don't know what she's using. They're just little jars. 

26:01 Julie Falls: Where did she get it?

26:04 Trina Renea: That's what I say. She gets it at Sephora or CVS. When she buys them, I do not know. And what they are, I have no idea, but they're in cute little bottles and they all have cute little smells. She has like three spritzers that she puts on. It's out of control. I cannot win this.

26:23 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I remember years ago, there was a sparkle sunscreen that we had in the office. I thought, “This is great. This is going to get the kids to start wearing sunscreen.” Of course, that didn't work. It's only until the TikTok hell came on and these young girls are touting these products, but I do think it's ridiculous.

26:39 Trina Renea: And so much makeup. It's makeup and skincare right now, like the amount of makeup that they're selling to these children as well. But I would say to the parent, get them on a sunscreen and get them to focus somewhere else. You don't need all that. That's just going to mess up your skin. It's not going to help you. It's a waste. Could cause breakouts. 

27:06 Julie Falls: Maybe show them terrible acne pictures. 

27:10 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Terrible allergic reactions. 

27:11 Julie Falls: Allergic reaction, acne pictures. This is what this stuff will do to you. 

27:15 Trina Renea: How about we focus getting them some sunwear? How about sunwear that's going to protect their skin?

27:20 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: How about they talk about reading a book? 

27:22 Julie Falls: There you go. 

27:23 Trina Renea: They don't like to read books anymore. 

27:24 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: How about they talk about an idea? 

27:25 Trina Renea: - Kids are like, "I don't read." They all say that. But you know what? They're not reading books but they're reading every single day on their devices. In school they have to read on their devices. They are constantly looking at— they read on their phones. They're getting their reading. Kids are not interested in actually picking up books and reading them. 

27:47 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Don't say that, Trina. 

27:47 Trina Renea: It's a lot of them. 

27:50 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I don't even want to hear those words. You might be right, but let's say the opposite. Kids love reading. 

27:55 Trina Renea: They do, they love reading their TikToks and their devices. They love reading all that. 

28:02 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Unfortunately, their seven steps, the kids will eventually get too busy to do the seven steps and they'll get over it, but I agree. It's just too much. It's kind of obnoxious. I don't understand how it started, why it started. 

28:13 Trina Renea: They're following TikTok trends. They're watching people on TikTok doing these things and they're like, “Oh, she's cool, so I'm going to do what she's doing.” It's all a selling technique. It's just out of control. 

28:25 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: And that's what you should and should not do.

28:27 Trina Renea: What? 

28:28 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: That. 

28:28 Trina Renea: - TikTok? 

28:29 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: What we just talked about. 

28:31 Trina Renea: Seven steps?

28:32 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yes.

28:34 Trina Renea: Okay. That's our rant for the day. 

28:38 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: That was a good rant, baby. 

28:40 Trina Renea: Thanks for listening. Have a good day, y'all. Bye. 

28:43 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Goodbye, everybody.

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