Dive into Radiant Skin: Discover the Hidden Benefits of Oceanic Ingredients with Biologist Dan Fryda

Trina Renea 0:07  

Hey everyone, welcome back to Facially Conscious with myself Trina Renea – Esthetician, Dr. Vicki Rapaport – Dermatologist, Rebecca Gadberry – the Cosmetic Ingredient Guru and our fabulous Overly Educated Consumer – Julie Falls. We are gathered here together with you to talk about this crazy world of Esthetics. It's confusing out there in this big wide world. That's why we're here to help explain it to you all, subject by subject. We will be your go-to girls and from our perspective without giving medical advice we will keep things Facially Conscious. Let's get started.

Rebecca Gadberry 1:07  

Oh, I'm talking? I thought I was doing the tip of the day.

Trina Renea 1:11  

You are but you're also doing this thing.

Rebecca Gadberry 1:12  

I didn't know that. Okay, let's go back.

Julie Falls 1:14  

I like that intro, leave it.

Rebecca Gadberry 1:19  

I'm introducing today. This is Rebecca Gadberry and I am the Cosmetic Scientist is part of the team here at Facially Conscious. 

Trina Renea 1:30  

Good morning. 

Rebecca Gadberry 1:31  

Good Morning. That was Trina, our lovely Master Esthetician, and Julie. 

Julie Falls 1:36  

Good morning. 

Rebecca Gadberry 1:38  

Our highly educated consumer and Dr. V. That's Dr. Vicki Rapaport and she is our Beverly Hills Dermatologist. But we're here to talk about sea algae today in skincare. But before we do, and we have a really exciting guest who I've known for almost 40 years, I can't believe. We're old. Anyway, I have a tip for you. Because we're going to be talking about algeas. Algeas can be kind of confusing when you look at the label, because you might see algae extract, algae extract, algae extract, and algae extract. And you could be wondering why there's so many algae extracts? Well, it's because there's 1000s. There's over 1000 different types of algae and seaweeds and etcetera from the ocean that can be used in your products. So, the way that we identify what's in your product is we have something called a Latin binomial. That means that the name is in Latin. And there's two names, identifying the genus and the species of the algae. So, you might see laminaria digitata on the label, and you could see another ingredient and Fel Chia Cocina they may have after the names algae extract, or it may say algae extract, and in parentheses, say the Latin binomial. So, when you look at your ingredient list, look for the Latin binomials because every algae behaves differently on your skin. There's a whole bunch of different reasons to use different algae.

Julie Falls 3:26  

Thank you. That's very good explanation because I do see when I look at marine products and skincare, there's like 4, 5, 6 different algaes.

Rebecca Gadberry 3:35  

Yes. And it gets to be very confusing. So, we're here today to talk with, as I said, an old friend of mine, and we were just comparing notes on the ages of our grandchildren. Oh my god, just shows you how old we are. Anyway, Dan Fryda…Hey, Dan, you're allowed to speak. Say hello.

Julie Falls 4:01  

Does he not hear us? 

Rebecca Gadberry 4:02  

Oh, I guess he doesn't hear us. So, I'm going to take this opportunity to introduce Dan, who is the president and founder I believe of Spa Technologies International. He's been a leader in the skincare industry for over 30 years. His background is in Thalassotherapy, which is a seaweed therapy out of Europe, aromatherapy, Chinese healing arts and phytochemistry, phyto means plant so plant chemistry that's led Dan to pioneer advanced treatments and products that meet the challenges of healthy aging for the spa and medical environment. He has done a lot of research into not only algaes, but seawater and things that grow in the seawater environment and has discovered as well as implemented a lot of actives or what we call action or performance ingredients in different skincare products. He's originally from France. And one of his favorite sayings that inspired him to get into, I don't know if it inspired him to get into this industry, but I know it's a quote he loves and it's from John Cocteau, who said – “Man, turns to the ocean to discover the past. What he will discover is his future.” And Dan certainly did discover his future by looking into the ocean. He is also writing a book called The Oceans Within or Our Ocean Within. I don't know when that's going to come out, but maybe we can ask Dan. So hello, Dan. Mr. Dan Fryda. 

Julie Falls 5:36  

Hi Dan. Nice to meet you.

Dan Fryda 5:38  

Hi. Great to meet you all. I know a couple of you.

Trina Renea 5:44  

Dan is the person who confirmed that I was a mermaid in my last life. 

Julie Falls 5:51  

I want to be a mermaid in my last life.

Rebecca Gadberry 5:52  

I bet you say that to all the girls, Dan.

Trina Renea 5:59  

Remember I told you, we were walking aquariums. That was Dan who taught me that.

Dan Fryda 6:03  

Yeah. That's right. I was a merman. So, there you go.

Rebecca Gadberry 6:12  

And what happened five minutes after that, Dan? Never mind, I don't want to hear it.

Dan Fryda 6:17  

I have signed an NDA.

Rebecca Gadberry 6:22  

I bet you've signed a lot of those in your career. So, that quote, how did it inspire you?

Dan Fryda 6:28  

Well, I was in France and I had been introduced to the works of Rene Quintin. Rene Quintin was a French scientist, who, for 15 or 20, years went to different zoos around Europe. And he wanted to know, what was the chemistry of the fluid inside of their bodies, and including the human body. And after all of that research, he found that the seawater, and the fluids that make up 70% of our bodies are chemically and qualitatively identical. Now, the qualitative means that the same ratios, not the same concentration. So, what he did was take pure seawater and dilute it with three parts mineral water, and he created the world's first saline solutions. And he used those to inject into patients who were ill, or children. And what he did, they didn't give them an IV. But what they did is they did it intramuscularly, they, you know, lift up the skin in the back of the neck, and they injected it the way a veterinarian might do it, to a puppy. And they found that by injecting seawater, they were able to rehydrate the body and boost the immune system, and buy time for the immune system to work. And very often, people died from dehydration. Because the immune system just the body crapped out before the immune system could do it’s thing.

Rebecca Gadberry 8:07  

When was this? 

Dan Fryda 8:14  

1980. I know now that I'm 40.

Rebecca Gadberry 8:21  

Interesting. We love you.

Dan Fryda 8:23  

I think I'm like 40 to the second power. Anyway, the epiphany to me was that, oh, it's a lasso therapy where people go to get a seawater cure. They're doing that to allow the ocean that's out there in the Atlantic to restore and replenish what's lacking in the ocean within. And that, to me was an epiphany. And I saw that as an opportunity to see that there was a whole world of experience out there, yet to be explored. And all the possibilities and that led me to seaweed, because marine algae lives in the ocean and it collects and concentrates all of the elements of the ocean, in the same proportions, as are biocompatible with the human body as well as compatible with seawater. And I thought that was brilliant. And it seems to me that the chemistry is done by nature. So, I don't have to be so smart.

Rebecca Gadberry 9:33  

I love that phrase. Chemistry is done by nature. So, we don't have to be that smart.

Dan Fryda 9:40  

You know, I mean, it's like cheating on the test, you know? And that was inspirational to me. And I have now achieved all my goals because in my vision, I wanted to literally not only have seaweed of skincare, but for gardening and agriculture and dietary supplements and food, because there are so many applications. And there's so many ways that marine algae, and provide us with solutions to the diseases of civilization if you want.

Trina Renea 10:20  

So, all the little, everything that lives on our body lives in saltwater, right?

Dan Fryda 10:26  

That's right. Yes. When you think of it, when life emerged out of the ocean, the life only existed in the ocean, you needed a fluid environment. Now, if you think of it, think of a marine plankton, it's a one celled plant. And what does it have for dinner tonight? Well, it's not ... You know, you ask people and they say – Well, I don't know they're going to eat. And he mentioned anything, you can eat other seaweed or something. No, it doesn't exist. They're just one cell floating in the ocean. Through osmosis, they're going to get the elements of minerals and trace elements, and gases that are in the ocean. And they're going to combine that and with the energy from the sun, they're going to synthesize proteins, and enzymes, and they're going to be able to create life. So, it's really almost a welfare state. You don't have to work your float there in the sun, the Marine elements come into without you having to do anything, because it's osmosis. You know, you synthesize those proteins, and then you get rid of the waste. And the waste product they got rid of was oxygen, which was interesting, because back then the earth’s atmosphere was a muddy orange. And it didn't look blue. And it was mostly methane and carbon dioxide.

Trina Renea 11:49  

So, if we soaked in saltwater and seaweed in our bath every day, would it heal us inside?

Dan Fryda 11:58  

Yes. And also, the healing hands that I have.

Trina Renea 12:03  

And your seaweed from France.

Dan Fryda 12:06  

Yeah. No, honestly, we have. There's also good from the United States too, by the way, it's a question of processing it and how you get it, you know, technology. 

Trina Renea 12:15  

Dan likes working with laminaria. It's very healing.

Rebecca Gadberry 12:18  

And you know, we're in Los Angeles. And we're right off the coast of one of the largest laminaria beds in the country, which surrounds Catalina and a lot of our laminaria products come from now that Catalina.

Dan Fryda 12:39  

Laminaria and macrocystis peripheral are abound there where the sea otters play. So, they have that as a support and as an echo system.

Rebecca Gadberry 12:52  

There's that Latin binomial.

Trina Renea 12:55  

Vicki what were you going to say? 

Dan Fryda 13:07  

… So, it’s 180 feet long. I mean, it's amazing. 

Rebecca Gadberry 13:11  

And it grows so quickly. I know we can trip will be 180 feet long, within a month or so. 

Trina Renea 13:20  

Yeah. So, let's talk about algae in skincare. So how does it help with our facial products? Like why do they put algae in the products?

Dan Fryda 13:32  

Well, for me, just take laminaria to start with. In one of my articles, I wrote laminaria does not contain collagen, but it does something much better. It when you apply laminaria algae to the skin, the minerals in there will diffuse through the skin and feed it, it is going to feed it the elements that needs for your skin to synthesize its own collagen, and elastin and fibronectin whatever other proteins that needs. So, putting collagen and the cream to me is nonsense, because it's going to float on the surface of your skin. And in certain climates, it might actually dehydrate your skin. But seaweed is going to, now just to be clear seaweed does not penetrate into your skin. But the elements in seaweed do all these elements that are lacking in your dinner plate. And I think that's really one of the causes of advanced aging. Causes of skin cancer is the lack of the elements that your skin needs to defend itself against environmental aging factors like ultraviolet, pollution, and other stresses that may occur.

Rebecca Gadberry 14:51  

And different seaweeds do different things like there's some seaweeds that are more anti-pollution than they are hydrating. And then there's other… I'm talking about extracts actually not seaweeds, because it depends upon how we pull out the amino acids that are the building blocks of proteins and the minerals that help to send chemical messages to your cells to make proteins. How we focus on the extracts or how we make the extract helps to determine how it's going to benefit the skin. So, you can have three different types of laminaria digitata. They're all going to be doing different things depending upon what we focus on as part of the elements of the seaweed.

Trina Renea 15:42  

I have a question for Dan. Dr. Vicki, by the way, Dan created my diaper rash cream first, volley law for the babies. I needed something that would help with diaper rash or any kind of rashes that babies get. And he created a laminaria oil for them. And that actually is very healing for eczema and psoriasis. And so, my psoriasis clients and eczema clients would use this oil on their skin, the laminaria oil and it would totally fix it like without medication. So that's probably what you're talking about Dan, right, is that it's very healing to the skin. It helps you produce your own collagen because your skin is living in its healthiest state because it's bringing down inflammation and repairing. Is that what it's doing? 

Dan Fryda 16:38  

Well, and it's doing a lot of things, but there are different parts of seaweeds that are responsible for that. For defending your DNA, you have a whole bunch of antioxidants. You have antioxidants, a full slew of carotenoids. So, the carotenoids and brown algae like laminaria and fucus, and others, you might know them as kombu and waka man, whatever. You have a whole slew of the carotenoids, including lutein, beta carotene, and that are going to be strong antioxidants, as well as poly phenols. You have brown algae poly phenol, so all of those are going to help defend your DNA. When you put that on your skin. It's going to give you like an eco-protective shield as you go out. Along with your sunblock, let's say. Other elements and seaweed or marine algae could be for DNA repair, like you have in microbiology like Anna cistus nidulans that was developed by Dr. Dan Jarosz in his lab in New York. 

Rebecca Gadberry 17:43  

Oh, I adore him. He's such a great guy. 

Dan Fryda 17:46  

He is a great speaker and he's very humble too.

Rebecca Gadberry 17:50  

He has discovered so much for our industry on DNA repair. It's one of his lifelong commitments.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport 17:58  

Trina, was talking about her patients with diaper rash and eczema and you know, we know that the Dead Sea works for psoriasis patients and we know that the mineral waters and LaRoche Posay France work for eczema. So, there is this mineral component that helps don't say cure because you know, you say cured diseases that is incorrect. Cure Eczema, but it definitely helps and controls and it's a nice, beautiful, natural way of getting at this skin diseases, which I'm totally down for. I love it. From the dermatologist perspective Trina was describing, you know how she has these products for diaper rash that you helped create for her. And you know, she puts it on her eczema patients. And I was mentioning that we send patients to Israel to go into the deep sea with psoriasis and it helps with their psoriasis. And I was very specific to say it doesn't cure psoriasis, or these things don't cure Eczema, because these are lifelong chronic genetic diseases. But these products sound very nice and natural. For especially for those patients who want that natural side of treatment. And not they don't love Western medicine. They really love this beautiful natural element. And I like that idea. I think it's kind of amazing. Are there other skin diseases that you know that algae extracts can help?

Dan Fryda 19:23  

Well, yes. I don't know if I'd use the term disease but certainly conditions, afflictions. Starting with, let's start with iodine. Laminaria is the richest source of iodine. And it not only is great when you take it internally, but when you either put a mask on your face or a body wrapped with seaweed, or bathe and seaweed, you're going to have the penetration of these marine elements including iodine and in the human body for understand… UCLA they did send you a project called the iodine project under Dr. Guy Abraham. And there, they found that the thyroid has receptors for iodine, but only 4% of the iodine you take in, goes to the thyroid. 30% goes to the female reproductive organs. And one of the roles of iodine besides stimulating metabolism, is balancing estrogen. And if we live in an environment where we're surrounded by hormonal interrupters that upset the hormonal imbalance, where you have excess estrogen, and insufficient, let's say progesterone or some imbalance, the results can show up cosmetically, if you want on the surface skin or on the body, it could show up in the form of heavy legs and water retention cellulite, or it may show up in lack of hydration, because iodine also plays a key role in hydration of your skin as just one example, but one of the interesting things also about seaweed is that you're getting an entourage effect. So, all of the elements, the chemistry of seaweed, and work synergistically when you apply it on your skin. So, you have other elements like Fucoidan. Fucoidan is a polysaccharide, which is found in abundance and laminaria and waka Mei and some other seaweeds that you might be familiar with. And it has generated a lot of research for skin cancer treatments in both Europe and in Australia. And in Australia, as you know, they have a big problem with skin cancer. And there they found that the combination of Fucoidan and the poly phenols that are in seaweed can reverse skin cancer and actually as a topical treatment for skin cancer. Ohio State University also did some research on the brown algae poly phenols that are left in brown algae, what laminaria is the richest, as well as University of South Carolina with the same results where they found it treats skin cancer.

Trina Renea 22:14  

By putting it on the skin. 

Dan Fryda 22:16  

Topically, yes. 

Trina Renea 22:18  

Julie had a question.

Julie Falls 22:19  

It sounds like kind of a miracle ingredient. And I don't necessarily here we'd see products touting laminaria. You know, It's not something you know, hyaluronic acid and all these other. 

Trina Renea 22:41  

It has embedded its fame yet, it hasn't had its day. 

Rebecca Gadberry 22:42  

Actually, it’s had its day. And now it's an accepted and expected ingredient.

Julie Falls 22:46  

Oh, I see because I was going to say where would our listeners turn to if they're looking for products that contain laminaria.

Dan Fryda 22:53  

If I can add something here that might please, please, most, most companies have put seaweed in it put an extract that has been taken in propylene glycol, usually or butylene glycol. So basically, if I get a gallon of an extract from a supplier somewhere, and it says this is algae extract 1% of it will be algae and 99% of it's going to be propylene glycol. So as opposed to when I take the pure seaweed powder, of which we don't extract anything, we just rehydrate it and you're getting the full force of the whole plant. And when you're getting the whole plant working on your skin, you're getting the synergistic properties of all of the elements that are in there without the propylene glycol, without butylene glycol or glycerin or any other extract. You're getting that full strength.

Julie Falls 23:52  

So, taking it orally.

Dan Fryda 23:56  

Yeah, taking it orally too. The seaweed that we use for your mask, for your cleanser, for your body wraps are food grade algae. Now if I take this glass here and I fill it with the seaweed powder that we use, it would take 10,000 glasses of seawater to give you the iodine, copper and zinc that you're having one glass of seaweed. Now that's not the same with minerals, minerals are much more voluminous, but when you think of trace elements are measured in parts per million and sometimes parts per billion. This is a real strong concentrate. So, I think there are two areas that are extremely interesting for me with marine algae. One is the whole plant, if you can use it without any kind of additives or whatever. And also, the extremophile that can be sometimes obtained through extraction. extremophile is it sounds like what it is, it's somebody that loves extreme conditions. Or let's put it as learn to adapt to extreme conditions such as bacteria that live around volcanic vents in the ocean where the water is boiling, but they thrive because they've adapted to the boiling water. So, we have, when algae is submitted to the sun's rays, it's going to also have to defend its own DNA. So, some of the algae create the repairing enzymes. And what Dr. Euros had discovered, was that the skin also has its own DNA repairing enzymes, but you can give it a boost because other DNA repairing enzymes from plants can accelerate the process as well because it is compatible with the human skin.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport 25:57  

Now, final question would be why isn't eating seaweed just as good? And you know, cultures who eat so much seaweed why aren't they necessarily any more healthy? Well, I guess some of them are. 

Rebecca Gadberry 26:09  

Yeah, they actually are.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport 26:11  

And then lastly, is there going to be enough seaweed in the world to even get the benefits from it with you know, the environmental change.

Rebecca Gadberry 26:17  

When it grows 100 feet every few weeks.

Dan Fryda 26:19  

It does. Yeah. No, but that's a great question. First of all, eating seaweed does add to longevity. Most people here in the United States, according to the again UCLA project said there's 90% of Americans have an iodine deficiency. Now you have to define what iodine deficiency means. According to the FDA 160 international units of iodine in your diet is enough for the RDA – Recommended Daily Allowance, right. In Japan, the RDA is 10,000 international units, and they live seven years longer than Americans. Now, we can't just say it's only seaweed. You know, they don't have as many people killed with guns there either.

Rebecca Gadberry 27:06  

But they do smoke, they do smoke.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport 27:08  

They eat smoked fish, yeah. Which causes, you know, stomach cancer.

Dan Fryda 27:12  

But they live seven years longer than Americans do. And the iodine in there, again, is one of the key anti-aging ingredients because of its effects for balancing estrogen. Its effect on the thyroid for metabolism and balancing all other hormones and its effects on the skin, which agree, and that's this, I'm only picking one element.

Trina Renea 27:41  

How do you find good seaweed? I mean, like good products with good. I mean, if most of them are 1% in propylene glycol, sorry.

Rebecca Gadberry 27:50  

Well, they're most of them are not necessarily 1% in propylene glycol, but Dan's product is a concentrate and you don't have to account for the propylene glycol or butylene glycol or whatever else it's extracted into because you take the plant and you extract it into a liquid, like you do a tea bag and you extract it into the liquid cold water, same type of thing. But the glycols take the place of the water. So of course, you're not going to have as much tea in there as you have in the bag. And what Dan does is he basically… do you freeze dried your material?

Dan Fryda 28:28  

We have some freeze dried, mostly what we do is we do concentrate, you do the immersion of the seaweed. I don't do this, that my trusted partner in France does that. But they take the whole plant, they immerse it in water and glycerin. And then after they've hit a certain saturation, they pull it out and they get another bunch of fresh plants. And they do that five times in a week to get a hybrid concentrate. But that's only one there are other extracts that are done with other more advanced methods and chemistry that are beyond me to do but to isolate certain actives that may have superpowers you know as far as we're concerned. So. others also repaired DNA that in a different way than the anastis does.

Rebecca Gadberry 29:22  

You know what Trina? Why don't we do a deep dive on specific types of seaweeds and other algaes. I think that would be fun. Also, for those of you who are listening, Dan has sent us a bunch of articles he's written and published over the years about this topic, and we're going to be putting them on periodically on our blog at www.Faciallyconscious.com. So, if you're interested in more about this topic, and what Dan has to say about it, please read the blog, because it's really, really interesting what he has to say. Now, Dan, when you're looking at the ingredient list, where should we see algaes? Should we see them towards the top, the middle, the bottom?

Dan Fryda 30:07  

Well, it can be both. When it comes to our extracts, we put it near the top, because we want to put more typically, if a vendor and Rebecca, you've had experience with this, they'll tell you what their recommended dosage should be. Like they'll say, put between one and 3% in your formula. Well, we put in maybe 20%, you know, and so we tried to get it to the top. But there are other extracts, that 1% might be very powerful. You know. Like, right now we're using something called Rainbow algae, for skin brightening. And Rainbow algae is native to just one northwestern corner of the Brittany province of France. And what's interesting about it is that it will change colors like a chameleon does. Depending on the sunlight available. Now, you know, the tides in North Brittany are 40 feet times. So, for six hours, you're going to be on 40 feet of water. And then for another six hours, you might be exposed directly to the sun. And when that happens, the algae changes its color configuration to have more reflective properties to not get damage to DNA, when it's well under water, it changes from a blue green color to kind of a reddish purple color in order to absorb the blue light that comes from the sun, or photosynthesis. So, when sunlight goes through water, it separates into blue, red and yellow. And blue light is able to penetrate the deepest. So, this rainbow algae captures the blue light as a red pigment at that point, to help it more efficiently get energy from the sun.

Rebecca Gadberry 32:04  

That is so fascinating. That is, you know, do you go into any of that in the articles that you've submitted to us? 

Dan Fryda 32:12  

Yes, I did. There's one called extreme of algae extremophiles. And I highlight a few of them, including some Irish moss that grows north of the Arctic Circle in Greenland. 

Rebecca Gadberry 32:25  

Oh, yes, I know that moss. 

Trina Renea 32:27  

Dan, we have to wrap it up at this time, but we want to talk more with you in the future. Maybe you can come on one of our deep dives with me and Rebecca and talk more about algeas and things. And if you guys want to talk more to Dan, we're going to put him up on our ‘About’ page and his contact information. So don't blow up his phone. I won't give him your phone number, I promise. 

Rebecca Gadberry 32:53  

Oh, come on. Let's dox him.

Trina Renea 32:57  

Dan has a lab out of New York City. And so, he creates product lines for people. So, thanks for that information. You're amazing.

Rebecca Gadberry 33:07  

Okay, so I have a question. It's our policy not to mention any companies. However, Dan's product is so unique because of the way they're using algaes. And I know Julie… I'm sure you're not the only one here … all the consumers who are listening to us. So, Dan, what are your products?

Trina Renea 33:29  

Well, no, he makes products for people.

Dan Fryda 33:34  

I have my own brand called Spa Technology. 

Trina Renea 33:44  

And we are not endorsed by Dan by the way everybody we're just …

Rebecca Gadberry 33:51  

And we're not endorsing Dan.

Julie Falls 33:52  

Dan endorses us but we're not.

Dan Fryda 33:56  

I feel like I kept guru here.

Rebecca Gadberry 33:59  

You have all these women around you? Yes. That's making an exception here. Are you guys open …

Julie Falls 34:07  

Okay. Is there anything else besides Spa Technology products? Yeah. And I'm going to…

Dan Fryda 34:12  

I know you wanted to hear more about the evolution of life on the land. 

Trina Renea 34:18  

I did and I'm going to have to bring you back for just to hear that. Okay, well, I'm going to give a takeaway for today. My takeaway is – Find yourself some good seaweed and some good algaes to use on your skin and you help your own body build its own collagen through the ingredients that you're putting on your skin. 

Rebecca Gadberry 35:05  

Don’t put seaweed leaves on your face. 

Trina Renea 35:08  

A you can put seaweed mask.

Rebecca Gadberry 35:09  

Right. 

Trina Renea 35:10  

Alright. Well, thank you, Dan.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport 35:13  

It was amazing.

Julie Falls 35:16  

So interesting, lovely meeting you.

Dan Fryda 35:17  

I look forward to meeting you all when I come to California.

Julie Falls 35:21  

Can't wait. Thank you.

Rebecca Gadberry 35:33  

Oh, that was so much fun.

Trina Renea 35:37  

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