5 Tips to Make the Most of Your Skincare Routine

Trina Renea 00:07 

Good afternoon, everyone. How are you? How's it going? I'm Trena Renea esthetician. 

Rebecca Gadberry 00:15 

And I'm Rebecca James Gadbury, or Rebecca Gadbury. James is my middle name. And I am the 13th licensed esthetician in the state of California, and a cosmetic scientist as well. 

Trina Renea 00:29 

Yes, and today, I think the reason she prefaced that is to let you all know, we are going to give our tips on how to make the most of your skincare routine in our two aesthetician opinions. 

Rebecca Gadberry 00:44 

Opinions and observations and experiences and all the other stuff that goes along with that. 

Trina Renea 00:49 

Yes. And so, she works behind the lab in the lab. 

Rebecca Gadberry 00:56 

Behind the lab is the factory. I don't work at the factory. 

Trina Renea 00:59 

And I work on people's faces every single day. And so, we're going to give our professional opinions, which are just our opinions. But we hope that you will love this episode and enjoy. And hopefully, this will help you in your home care. 

Rebecca Gadberry 01:21 

So, and also note that we have our own biases on this. Yes, So take everything we say in light of our biases and our opinions and our experience.  

Trina Renea 01:34 

Yes, okay so are you ready? Question number one. Here comes number one. How often should you wash your face? 

Rebecca Gadberry 01:41 

Oh my god, this is such of my opinion on this has changed so drastically over the last several years. 

Trina Renea 01:48 

I'll tell you my journey but you go first. 

Rebecca Gadberry 01:53 

No, I was going to say, you go first, because you've had a dream. 

Trina Renea 01:57 

Well, so ever since the beginning of my time in life, I've been told to wash my face twice a day because that's what the marketing tells you to do with your cleanser. So, when I became an esthetician, which by the way, I will admit, I used to use ivory soap on my face until I became an esthetician. I know, and then I realized how bad that was, and I was like, I'm going to get old so fast, but so far, so good. 

Rebecca Gadberry 02:25

You look great. For 70 years old, you look remarkable. 70, yeah. I'm 70, that's just 70. Okay, I guess. Losing it. Lost it a long time ago. So then when I became an esthetician, I started questioning that double face cleansing thing and then double face cleansing or cleansing twice a day. Okay, so there's the twice a day and the double face cleansing that they tell you to do some people say cleanse twice at a time. And you know there's certain times when I tell people to do that and if they're wearing a face full of makeup of course or if they have acne there's that's different, but for general in general my next thing came with me realizing like how women age so much differently than men and my I was I remember I was on a bus somewhere.  I was thinking, I don't know where I was in your past life, traveling, traveling somewhere as the rock star and I was like thinking men never wash their face and I am like I mean maybe in the shower they'll wash it but usually they don't even wash their face, they wash their hair and I'm like and they don't put on all these products yet women get so dry and they need to put on all these creams. I wonder and serums and stuff I wonder if it's because we're over washing so I said I'm going stop washing my face as much and so I when I tried it and I was like makes no difference I'm still the same I mean I did notice that I wasn't as dry. So, then then I learned that you know through the night as we sleep our everything's turning over and everything's working and pushing that oil that is in our pour that oil it's your natural moisture barrier that God gave you and it's like on your skin and we wash it off in the morning so I was like okay I think it's best yes wash your face at night because you have to wash off all the dirt and grime from the day in the environment and the makeup and all that and then just rinse your face with water in the morning so that's what I've been saying for the last 20 years. And now I just learned from a previous episode recently a few months ago which is coming out hopefully soon, at this moment it's not out but by the time you listen to this episode it might be out that you're we had a scientist on that was talking about Dr. Hitchcock and explaining that our microbiome is getting over cleansed and overworked and that the body actually needs the oils and the things on your skin your microbiome needs it to eat it because it feeds on that to help it you know there's many communities of bugs on your face and them and this is your microbiome and that he even said just don't wash your face and I was like what ? I mean that freaked me out I was like don't wash your face at all but I mean there are cases when you should wash your face for sure people not everybody shouldn't wash your face but he was saying less cleansing is actually better if you're not wearing makeup and you don't have a problem with acne or your problems with your skin your skin's pretty normal and you know children they don't wash their face all the way up until they're I don't know teenager kids don't really wash their face I mean that much you know so I don't know I'm how often should you wash your face I'm going say not that often and that is all of my opinion So. 

Trina Renea 06:23

Rebecca you go ahead. 

Rebecca Gadberry 06:24 

Are you making all kinds of faces at me? Okay. And by the way, let me just say. I don't wash my face. 

Trina Renea 06:29 

You don't? 

Rebecca Gadberry 06:35

I'm in front of everybody. 

Trina Renea 06:35 

Even when you wear makeup? 

Rebecca Gadberry 06:36

I don't wear makeup.

Trina Renea 06:37 

Oh, that's because your skin is so perfect.

Rebecca Gadberry 06:41 

But I do wash my eyes because I wear eye makeup, but like I don't wash my face, probably maybe I put actual cleanser on my face and I'll be totally 100% honest, probably twice a week. 

Trina Renea 06:55

So, this is going to shock you but I agree with you. 

Rebecca Gadberry 06:59 

What? Oh my god! I wish I could high five you from the cross. 

Rebecca Gadberry 07:02 

We're sitting across the room, so we can't high five each other, but SLAP! Okay. 

Trina Renea 07:10

Are you serious? 

Rebecca Gadberry 07:11

Okay. With a caveat. At night. 

Trina Renea 07:12 

I love to hear that. 

Rebecca Gadberry 07:13 

At night, we pick up mites from our pillowcases and we drool. Yeah, you do. I sleep on my back. I know you do. It goes down my throat. And how many people do that? And we also perspire. Okay. 

Trina Renea 07:32

I don't. No, I don't drool. I don't have mites on my pillows. And I don't, definitely don't drool.

Rebecca Gadberry 07:34 

I drool. I have mites on my pillow. I spit, I sweat, I whatever. So, I splashed my face with water two or three times in the morning with lukewarm water. 

Trina Renea 07:39

I do that. 

Rebecca Gadberry 07:40

Okay. I splash. So, I don't think of that as cleansing. It's more like rinsing. Yeah. Okay. That means, and I also... 

Trina Renea 07:41

Rinse the poopoo from the mites off your face. 

Rebecca Gadberry 07:44

Yes. And I also will wash my face off immediately when I get home if I have makeup and I've been out. For sure. Makeup. Okay So, I want to get the makeup off because the makeup with the pigments and some of the fragrances I don't like on my face. Now, whether it hurts my face or not, I think the juries out because skincare or makeup is more like skincare now. So, I don't think it's as bad for your skin as it was 20 or 30 years ago. I think it's a lot safer for your skin. 

Trina Renea 08:30 

This moment in time, though, there is makeup people on TikTok and stuff who are doing tutorials how to do contouring and all this stuff. So, they have a full, thick face of makeup. Some people are doing that. 

Rebecca Gadberry 08:42 

I can't I mean I'm a makeup. I was in makeup artists before I was anything else and yeah.

Trina Renea 08:56

You know I was a manicurist in our past life.

Rebecca Gadberry 08:57

You were a rock star you were a rock star before you were a manicurist male technician darling. 

Trina Renea 08:59 

No, I was a male technician when I was in high school. Oh, were you? Rockstar came second. 

Rebecca Gadberry 09:02 

Oh, my goodness did it, never mind, we're going down a rabbit hole. So, my point here is, is that when I originally started removing my makeup and I was in teens to 20s or 30s, makeup was not good for your skin. Unlike now, a lot of makeup is good for your skin. I can't sleep in makeup though, it drives me crazy, it's a psychological thing. 

Trina Renea 09:26 

No, people take your makeup off at night. 

Rebecca Gadberry 09:38 

I know some people don't and they feel really guilty in the morning because they're like, oh God, I slept in my makeup and now I'm going to break out. I mean, I don't know. But the other issue is, if you're putting on any night care products, then you need to get that off your skin. 

Trina Renea 09:41 

That means they're not putting their night care products on because they're falling asleep with their makeup on. 

Rebecca Gadberry 09:46 

Right. So, you need to take off whatever's in the way of getting into your skin. 

Trina Renea 09:51 

What about a makeup wipe on the side of your bed because you fell asleep and you don't want to get up and wash your face? Can you use a makeup wipe? 

Rebecca Gadberry 09:58 

I use makeup. makeup wipes so yes. I use Neutrogena makeup wipes I love okay I'm weird about I know we're not supposed to be doing brands but I love the Neutrogena makeup wipes.

Trina Renea 10:10 

Um, so wait, I have an issue, can you tell me this, I have an issue with makeup wipes because I feel like they're full of chemicals and so I feel like if you wipe the face off. 

Rebecca Gadberry 10:21 

A chemical, but light and electricity. 

Trina Renea 10:23 

But I feel like if you leave those chemicals that are cleansing off the makeup. 

Rebecca Gadberry 10:31

Just rinse your face. 

Trina Renea 10:32

You're right, but then you have to rinse your face, right?

Rebecca Gadberry 10:33

No, you don't.

Trina Renea 10:34

I feel like you should have to.  

Rebecca Gadberry 10:36 

Okay So, makeup wipes are made with a special technology that's basically the micellar water. And that's a cleansing system that's very, it's very effective cleansing, but it doesn't leave a residue on your skin except for the softening elements, just like with the moisturizer. 

Trina Renea 10:49 

So, it's okay to not wash those out. 

Rebecca Gadberry 10:51 

It’s okay to not wash it. However, I don't like it on my skin, so I rinse it off. So, I will take a wipe, and it may be Neutrogena, it may not be, I use different wipes. I use the wipe, I remove all the makeup, dissolves it beautifully, including the long-lasting lipstick, and then I just rinse my face. Now, this is what we do at home. We don't have acne, neither one of us. We also do not have any other issues with dry skin or anything like that. So, this is a personal preference. Our advice to you at home, if you have acne, wash your face for sure, at least once a day. And if you're going to do it, do it at night, not in the morning, especially if you're wearing makeup, to cover any blemishes or whatever. 

Trina Renea 11:43 

And if you have active acne wash again in the morning and change your pillowcases and all kinds of things. 

Rebecca Gadberry 11:52 

Change your pillowcase everyday. So, that's the caveat. Okay, but the other issue is if you're older or if you're younger and you're using night care. Make sure you're putting it on a completely clean skin. Okay, so but don't over wash your face Don't use something that's so rich and foamy and your skin feels stripped. It feels tight and tight. 

Trina Renea 11:56

That tight feeling is not a good thing.

Rebecca Gadberry 12:00

It means your barriers been damaged your skin is dry and you're going start peeling off dead skin cells and you're going dehydrate. So, and then you'll age faster, right? So, use a gentle cleanser. Okay. How's that? 

Trina Renea 12:29 

So good, now question number two, how much product should you put on your face? Okay, so you have a different opinion on this because we've talked about it because you come from cosmetic chemistry labs. And so, I have my opinion as an esthetician. I feel like if you are using a good brand product that has good ingredients in it that is not going to be full of fillers. I have to watch how I say this because we just talked about silicone. But a lot of people will put on their cream thicker because they feel like it's not getting into their skin. And I feel like that's not, if you're using a good moisturizer, you don't have to put on a thick layer because it's going to penetrate. So, it depends on the product that you're using. But when I have people put on serums that I tell them that you just need to feel it on your skin. You don't have to cake it on. You don't have to pack it on. You're just a thin layer of good serum, a thin layer of good moisturizer. If it's a good product, it's going to penetrate and do its job. You don't have to let it sit in and a thick layer on your face. The only time I feel like you need to put a lot of product on is sunscreen, right? So. 

Rebecca Gadberry 13:51 

So, that's a regulated amount through FDA. So, you have to put on two finger approach to sunscreen. I was reading something, God, about three or four weeks ago online that said, oh, I think that's a big marketing thing and all, it isn't. We're going talk about sunscreens in a later episode, so I'm not going answer it here. Stay tuned for the sunscreen episode because we're going talk about the proper amount to apply. But sunscreens are drugs. They're not cosmetics. And so, you have to put on the amount that was tested in the study to give you the protection, the SPF, that's on the bottle. Right. 

Trina Renea 14:27 

And so how much product should, do you think people should put on their face besides sunscreen, not sunscreen? 

Rebecca Gadberry 14:32 

Okay, so as a formulator, as a cosmetic chemist, when I look at formulating a product, and I look at the action ingredients or the performance ingredients, what some people mistakenly call active ingredients, active ingredients or drugs, they are not cosmetics, so. 

Trina Renea 14:50 

Active ingredients, meaning like salicylic acid, benzoyl peroxide, like this, and they're always listed at the top. They're always listed under active ingredients. 

Rebecca Gadberry 15:00 

They're always listed under active ingredients. And so that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the action ingredients or the performance ingredients that do the rest of the work of the product. So hyaluronic acid, retinols, vitamin Cs, all of those peptides. When we look at them to put into the product, when we review them as chemists, we take a look at what the percentage is that was used in the studies to get the results. So, if it's 2% retinol, I'll put 2% retinol in the product. That means that translates into, I have to put on the amount that was used in the study to get the result on my skin. So, if I'm putting on just enough to feel it, is that enough to really do the work? So, the directions should tell you how much to put on based upon how much we saw in the study to use. So, if it says, let's say for a serum, it says apply three pumps of serum, okay? Put three pumps of serum in your hand or on your fingers and put that on your face. Not enough to feel, but three pumps of serum. 

Trina Renea 16:11 

Let me ask you, do all formulators do this? Do they put their directions correctly? 

Rebecca Gadberry 16:19 

I can’t tell you what other companies do. I can tell you that my experience with the products that I formulate or have formulated for other companies, I do that. I advise my students at UCLA to do that. Hopefully people are listening. So, one thing that you could ask, first of all, buy from credible brands. Buy from brands that you know that they're using the right percentages at. 

Trina Renea 16:46 

Right but a lot of times on products it'll say use morning and night right a.m. And p.m. It won't say how many how much.  

Rebecca Gadberry 16:52 

Okay, so in that case, what I think is appropriate for most skin, if it's a lotion, you put on about from the middle knuckle, okay, the middle finger on your forefinger to the tip of your finger, okay, in a straight line. Don't fill it up. Don't take a huge qualm out of the container. This is like an eighth of an inch, going down the center of your finger from the middle knuckle to the tip of your finger. 

Trina Renea 17:23 

When you say lotion, you're talking about a cream. 

Rebecca Gadberry 17:26 

No, I’m talking about lotion so thinner liquid. Okay for a cream you should use about the end of your last knuckle to your forefinger or I'm sorry to the tip of your forefinger. Okay so that's a cream. Okay for a serum there's your eighth of an inch again from the middle knuckle to the tip of the front thing.

Trina Renea 17:51 

That's probably about how much I use. I just put it in a squirt into the palm of my hand. Oh, and people never rub your hands together to put your products on your face. 

Rebecca Gadberry 18:05 

Then it winds up in your hands and you have yummy hands. And in between your fingers. Yeah, right. So, I do put a little bit more on so I can put it on the back of my hands when I'm done. So, when I apply a product, I apply it from my hairline at the top down to my chest between my breasts, around the sides of my neck, the back of my neck, and the back of my hands. 

Trina Renea 18:26 

Oh, see, I don't do back of neck and back of hands. I have to start doing back of hands for sure. 

Rebecca Gadberry 18:31 

And back of neck, but you have long hair. I have short hair. Because the sun hits the back of your neck just like it hits your face. 

Trina Renea 18:40

Only if you have short hair, right?

Rebecca Gadberry 18:41 

Right. Or you wear your hair up. Like me. 

Trina Renea 18:46 

Like you. Oh my god, I probably have skin cancer on the back of my neck. 

Rebecca Gadberry 18:47 

I have a friend who has put product on the front of her neck and not the back. She's my age and she looks older in back than she does in the front. Now if that's.

Trina Renea 18:50

Do I know her?

Rebecca Gadberry 19:10

No, but correlation is not causation. It may be linked. It may not be. 

Trina Renea 19:13

Oh my God, I've never thought of that in my neck as always exposed.

Rebecca Gadberry 19:15

It's true. So how much should you put on? If it says, follow the directions, otherwise the amount that I suggested. 

Trina Renea 19:16 

Right. That's a good point. Okay, question number three, how often should you apply a product? 

Rebecca Gadberry 19:20 

However, however often it says to a person. 

Trina Renea 19:23 

Exactly. Yeah. I mean, a product totally 100% depends on what the product is and what you're using it for. And just follow the directions on the bottle, I would say. 

Rebecca Gadberry 19:37 

So, most peptides are tested AMPM in the clinical studies. So, you want to use a peptide product morning and night. Retinols are tested and used only at night. And you need to work up to using those over a period of like four weeks. 

Trina Renea 19:53 

Okay, in general, I could say your exfoliator is at night. 

Rebecca Gadberry 19:58 

Right, you could wear exfoliate and you're talking about AHAs. Yeah, I mean, if you want to kind, I mean, but if- Under a sunscreen. Right. Yeah. 

Trina Renea 20:07 

So, some people don't wear sunscreen. So, I recommend they use their AHAs at night. If, if we're working on an acne situation, I'll have them use it twice a day, but still wear your sunscreen. And then vitamin C's and those for sure in the day, double 24 hours is recommended twice a day. Yeah. Because that's what the study. 

Rebecca Gadberry 20:32 

So, we've got to remember. When we use performance ingredients, they are clinically tested most of them So we have to use the proper percentage and we have to use the right amount on the skin and we have to use the frequency right, so hyaluronic acid is used it can be used AM and PM or AM or PM. Yeah depending upon and you and you don't want it way up in the forefront of the ingredient list You want it like in the middle of the ingredient list because it should only be in there a maximum of 1% so you don't want to overuse that ingredient.

Trina Renea 21:09 

So, I have a little quick side note. My clients call me and ask me questions about things. So, there is a device going around, an LED device, and it's like the size of a quarter handheld wand. And it's like the tip that touches your skin is about the size of a quarter. And on the directions of this very expensive device, it says it's only three minutes a day. But when I dug deeper, because I know for sure it's not just three minutes a day on one spot of your face, it was rubbing it around your face for three minutes, you have to hold it in one spot of your face. So, when I dug- For three minutes? So, when I dug deeper into, because I was like, this isn't, they're not really telling people to do this. And so deeper in it says it's going to take you one hour per day to get the benefits seven days a week for the rest of your life basically, to get the benefits, you have to do three minutes on every single spot of your face at that circle. 

Rebecca Gadberry 22:16 

Opposed to using like a sheet light that covers everything all at once. 

Trina Renea 22:21 

Yes, and people are like this thing is marketed like crazy right now all over the internet. And so, all these people are tech because you know you see it in your feed over and over and you're like should I get this and I'm like no You're not going spend an hour every day. Yeah, and they're like, but it says three minutes? No, that's three minutes per circle a quarter sized all around your face.

Rebecca Gadberry 22:44 

You did the homework for everybody. I know so that was just a small little tidbit. 

Trina Renea 22:52 

I know so that was just a small little tidbit.

Rebecca Gadberry 23:00 

That's amazing.

Trina Renea 23:01

Okay, question number four. Did we do three? We did. How often should you apply? Oh yeah. Question four, should you apply a product all over your face? Okay, well, most of the products I would say, yes. But anything that is exfoliating as in a retinol or a glycolic or AHAs, BHAs, not around the orbital, inside the orbital bone. So not inside the eye area. Cause you don't want to put on the soft tissue of your eye. It will one, slip into your eye and burn. That's not good. And two, it will make your skin so creepy, crepey. Crepey. Not creepy. Creepily crepey. But you will look creepy too and dry. Yeah, so. Okay, so. That's my advice. 

Rebecca Gadberry 23:43 

In my two cents, eye products are supposed to be ophthalmology tested. Get a product that's ophthalmology tested to use around the eye, whether it has retinoids or AHAs or whatever, it needs to be ophthalmology tested. 

Trina Renea 23:57 

Okay, so how do you know if your eye cream is ophthalmology tested ophthalmology? 

Rebecca Gadberry 24:02 

Test it will say so on the container. Okay, if it doesn't say so I'd pass. The other element of that is if you are Hyperpigmented you may not be hyperpigmented or need to lighten all areas of the skin Yes, so especially like with the mask of pregnancy or something just put it on those areas Okay. Acne is the same way. Yes. Rosacea is the same way. So, if you're treating Specific things on the skin. Yes, that are occurring at that time You don't need to apply it all over unless it's all over the skin Yes on things that help to control signs of aging though. We age all over our face. So, put it all over the face. A neck cream. You're going put on the neck you're not going to put on the face. Usually have I put neck creams on my face? Absolutely 

Trina Renea 25:01 

And how I put eye creams on my lap on wrinkles. 

Rebecca Gadberry 25:05 

Yes, I have. I always put my eye cream on my upper lip and actually around my lips because the skin around the mouth is very similar as far as the way it wrinkles to the skin around the eyes. 

Trina Renea 25:18 

So yeah, I put my extra eye cream right in all of my creases. 

Rebecca Gadberry 25:24 

Yes, in all of my creases. We won't go there. No. So. 

Trina Renea 25:25 

On the face. 

Rebecca Gadberry 25:26 

Yeah, so there are specific products that are made for specific regions. If you are working with specific conditions or problems and they don't occur all over your face, then don't apply them all over your face. 

Trina Renea 25:42 

Yes, and I have to say, I do find this when dermatologists have the acne patients using medication, topical medication, they'll tell them to apply it and the kids apply it all over their face. All over their face. And then I see them and they say, I stopped using it, dried out my skin. So, I then teach them, no, you just are going to spot treat the areas where the acne is. You will use it just in the acne areas and that usually will help fix it or have them do it less frequently for a little bit if they're feeling that irritation or dryness, but not to stop it. But also, like you said, just where the acne is. You don't need it in the other areas. 

Rebecca Gadberry 26:21 

You don't and for rosacea you're looking at the butterfly zone, the chin as well, the cheeks, the nose, yeah, but you don't need it on the sides of your face. 

Trina Renea 26:32 

Yeah, if you have rosacea, you're just using the cream where the redness is. Same with if you're using cortisone for eczema or psoriasis, you know, you don't put cortisone cream all over your face. You know. Hopefully. 

Rebecca Gadberry 26:49 

Hopefully. Okay the last. 

Trina Renea 26:50 

Last question. Yes. What should you do if a product rolls off your skin during application? We call that pilling. 

Rebecca Gadberry 26:59 

You return it. You cry. You cry. You don't let it roll off your skin because if it rolls off your skin, it's rolling off your skin. You're not getting any of the benefits from it. 

Trina Renea 27:10 

Right, Sometimes I find that that is due to layering your products too quickly and not letting certain things set before. Usually I find that it happens with sunscreens, that if people put on their serums and then their moisturizers really quickly and then put a sunscreen on really quick while it can sometimes pill. If you let it set for a second, you know, I've found that mostly with sunscreens. What do you think?

Rebecca Gadberry 27:38 

The reason that it happens with the sunscreen is because the sunscreen is applied last.  Where does the problem start with the serum usually because it's the gums that we use to thicken up the serum. That caused the peeling Interesting. Okay. So, if you've got something like xanthan gum in the product it may peel. Now when we talk about peeling, it's the same type of thing that you get rolls on the sweater. Those are called pills also. So, it's product rolling off It's not I've heard some people say oh, that's just you know, it's cleansing your skin and rolling your dead cells off I'm so sure that's not what's going on. So very nice good suggestion, but you're wrong. So, what you're what you're doing is the product itself is rolling off the skin and it's due to what I call gumming out so there's too high of a gum in there. 

Trina Renea 28:31 

And when could it happen if you're using two products that have gone and layer them? 

Rebecca Gadberry 28:36 

Maybe you have two or three serums that you're layering or you're blending together, you're putting too much gum on your skin. Then you, and it doesn't pill necessarily right there, it may take up to 15 to 30 seconds to start pilling. In the meantime, you've moved on to the next product. So, when you start the next product, it looks like that's the product that's causing the pilling when it started with the serum. And the same thing is true with the sunscreen. The other issue with the sunscreen is that the sunscreen, a lot of these sunscreens that have titanium dioxide and zinc oxide have little particles in them. They're called particulate sunscreens. And so, the gum wraps around the particle and that creates even more peeling. So, it makes it sound like a problem. It is a problem. So, what are you supposed to do? I pat don't rub. So, you patting, but you pat it on instead of rubbing it. Cause when you rub it, you're calling the, you're causing the peel. No, you can just use the flats of your fingers and all of your fingers and just press it into the skin like I'm doing now that you cannot see at home. But I am pressing it into my skin and then you let it sit for 30 seconds or a minute. And then you go back and you put the next layer on or you put them on all at once within a few seconds. 

Trina Renea 30:01 

I just mix them together in my hand. 

Rebecca Gadberry 30:04

That's how I do it, except for the sunscreen. So, I pat it on yeah, I put my serums and my moisturizer in together. Oh, I don't add my moisturizer I should do that too. I blend them all on my fingertips not the polymer by hand Yeah, so that my fingertips can be pressed onto my skin and then I put on my sunscreen which I wear a zinc outside. 

Trina Renea 30:23 

Do you wait to? the sunscreen on until after the creams and serums have set. Right. 

Rebecca Gadberry 30:28 

Plus my sunscreen has silicones in it so it helps to spread it more evenly over the skin less pilling, right? Okay 

Trina Renea 30:36 

All right, I learned something in that question. Thank you. All right. Well, I think that's our last question, so that was that was fun. 

Rebecca Gadberry 30:48 

That was really enlightening and fun, and I'm so glad we had this talk because we talked about not only what we do, but to give some tips for home use as well. 

Trina Renea 30:59 

Yes, and I hope that was helpful to some of you out there. Maybe you learned something like I did too. 

Rebecca Gadberry 31:04 

I think it was more real world than what a lot of people talk about. Oh, you should put it on this way, this way. But what's real world? Right. Right? Yes. 

Trina Renea 31:11 

We're a very real world. 

Rebecca Gadberry 31:13 

Yeah. That's our next podcast. We're real world. Okay, everybody. Until next time. Bye. 

Trina Renea 31:20 

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Procedures Discussed:

1. Face Washing - The importance of washing at night, with varying frequencies depending on skin type.
2. Layering Products - How to layer serums, moisturizers, and sunscreen to avoid pilling.
3. Spot Treating - Focusing potent actives like retinols or acne treatments on specific areas instead of the entire face.
4. Makeup Removal - Use of wipes, rinsing techniques, and why it’s crucial to remove makeup before bed.

Product Application Techniques - Recommendations on patting versus rubbing, and the right quantities to use based on formulations.